Re: [OCCAID] Proposal for EINTAP

[Michael Nicks <nicksm@ioport.com>]

On 01/08/05 12:59:57 -0500, Joshua Brady wrote:
> Adam,
> 
> Adam Davenport wrote:
> >Just because a policy has been set, does not mean it will be actively 
> >enforced.  Look at how many hundreds and probably thousands of laws that 
> >are on the books that are not actively enforced.
> 
> Most likely true, but what would that say about OCCAID for having a 
> policy, yet never enforcing it. I fully understand what your saying, as 
> the policy on eggdrops on most networks would be to keep the bad ones 
> from hindering others use. Yet, for OCCAID it would be like having a 
> policy not to allow tcp6667, yet not blocking it, and further not doing 
> anything when it is used.

OCCAID doesn't want to have a bad reputation because of DNS abuse. Sure,
they could filter tcp/6667 on all core routers and successfully filter 
out the most common abusive users, but most people here are against 
censorship/filtering at backbone level. Having policies against DNS spam 
allows OCCAID to have a more involved and respectable user base (the 
educational and progressive kind), rather than an abusive and less mature 
user base. (irc kids, etc)

> >If you don't make yourself a problem, you probably won't have any.  If 
> >you do make yourself a problem however, well then there is policy to 
> >handle it :)
> 
> To further expand, can we come up with an policy which allows occaid to 
> be mature, respected and still serve transit customers. Yet at the same 
> time keep users from totally polluting OCCAID? I may agree that 
> bubba.gump.uses.irc.occaid.org may be acceptable yet 
> i.like.to.sniff.peoples.panties.occaid.org would be totally unacceptable.

I think the policy right now does that. While DNS abuse is a subjective 
evaluation, I think enough people here are against DNS abuse that the
policy laid out here represents the best interests of the OCCAID community,
which is allowing users to do anything they want, (within reason, of course)
while still filtering out abusive and immature users/downstreams.

> As Scott said, the dirty bits could transfer through the network, but 
> not use the address space.

As previously said, if you have your own address space, feel free to create
useless and immature DNS PTRs such as i.am.not.on.occaid.address.space.lols.

-M

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